--- title: "Fluxer alternative: mssgs vs Fluxer compared (2026) | mssgs" description: "mssgs vs Fluxer: two Discord-style chat apps without ads. mssgs keeps your data in the Netherlands, encrypts private chats and has games built in." canonical: https://mss.gs/en/fluxer-alternative language: en --- # The Fluxer alternative with your data in Europe Communities, voice channels, roles and bots, like you know them from Fluxer. With your data on Dutch servers, end-to-end encrypted private chats and nine games built into the chat. ## mssgs as a Fluxer alternative mssgs is a European alternative to Fluxer for friend groups, gaming groups, clubs and communities. Both are Discord-style apps with communities, text and voice channels and roles, and neither shows ads or trains AI on your messages. The difference: mssgs stores your data in the Netherlands, with BIT in Ede, while Fluxer, a Swedish company, stores it with Vultr in New Jersey, United States. On mssgs one-to-one chats are end-to-end encrypted, the iOS and Android apps are in the stores, and nine games and bots with buttons and /commands are built in. mssgs is free to start on iOS, Android, Windows, macOS, Linux and the web. Made by RUAL, the Netherlands (since 2009) Data stored With BIT in Ede, the Netherlands Price Free, optional Premium Ads None Apps iOS, Android, Windows, macOS, Linux, web Moving over Rebuild your channels, share an invite link Comparison checked on 3 October 2026. ## Fluxer and mssgs, side by side Two Discord-style apps from European companies, run in different places. Green marks the side that is ahead on that row, and we say so when that is Fluxer. | Feature | Fluxer | mssgs | | --- | --- | --- | | **Company and privacy** | | | | Made by | Fluxer Platform AB, Sweden (founded 2025) | RUAL, the Netherlands (since 2009) | | Where your data is stored | With Vultr, an American company, in New Jersey, United States | With BIT, a Dutch hosting provider, in Ede, the Netherlands | | Ads and AI training | None | None | | End-to-end encryption | Not yet: encrypted calls are in testing, private messages are planned | One-to-one chats | | Age check | Date of birth at sign-up. No ID, no face scan | Age band from your device, or the age you enter. No ID, no face scan | | Minimum age | 13 in most countries, 16 in the Netherlands, Germany, Ireland, Poland and others | 13, with protective settings and the Parent Center up to 15 | | **Communities** | | | | Text and voice channels | Yes | Yes | | Video and screen sharing | Yes | Yes, screen sharing with audio | | Roles and permissions | Yes | Yes | | Owners per community | One, ownership can be handed over | Several, the first owner cannot be removed | | Who decides on reports | Community moderators and Fluxer's own team | Volunteer community moderators, by vote | | **Games, bots and AI** | | | | Games | Through third-party bots | Nine turn-based games built into every chat | | Bots | Third-party bots on its API, each hosted by its developer. Slash commands and buttons are on the roadmap | Bot messages with cards and buttons, webhooks and /command triggers built in, no hosting needed | | AI assistants over MCP | No official MCP server | Built into the desktop app, 127 tools, only the channels you pick | | **Price and apps** | | | | Price | Free, Plutonium costs €4.99 a month or €49.99 a year | Free, Premium is optional and never renews by itself | | Free limits | Files up to 25 MB, messages up to 2,000 characters | Files up to 25 MB, messages up to 2,000 characters | | With the paid plan | Files up to 500 MB, messages up to 4,000 characters | Files up to 50 MB, messages up to 5,000 characters | | Apps | Web, Windows, macOS, Linux. iOS and Android in public beta | iOS, Android, Windows, macOS, Linux, web, Apple Watch | | Open source, run it on your own server | Yes, under the AGPL | No, mssgs runs it for you in the Netherlands | Checked on 3 October 2026 against Fluxer's own [privacy policy](https://fluxer.app/privacy), [Plutonium page](https://fluxer.app/plutonium), [download page](https://fluxer.app/download), [2026 roadmap](https://fluxer.app/blog/roadmap-2026), [minimum age guide](https://fluxer.app/help/minimum-age), [company information](https://fluxer.app/company-information) and [API documentation](https://docs.fluxer.app/http-api/guilds/). Fluxer is young and changes fast; if something here is out of date, tell us at [support@mss.gs](mailto:support@mss.gs) and we fix it. ## Made in Europe is not the same as hosted in Europe Fluxer is a Swedish company, but its [privacy policy](https://fluxer.app/privacy) says it hosts most account information, messages, communities and files with Vultr in Piscataway, New Jersey, and the app at web.fluxer.app answers from [Vultr's American network](https://stat.ripe.net/45.77.205.151). mssgs keeps all of it in the Netherlands. Here is who does what, and where, each with a source you can open yourself. ### The company mssgs is made by RUAL and operated by Deverence Group B.V. in Brummen: a Dutch private company, privately owned, with no foreign parent. ### Your chats, photos and account Live on servers at BIT in Ede, a Dutch hosting provider with its own data centres. Not with an American cloud, and not in the United States. ### The website and the domain mss.gs and its nameservers run directly on BIT's network (AS12859), with no American middleman at the front door. ### The eu-alt.eu listing eu-alt.eu, a guide to European software, records who owns each service and where its servers are, with dates and sources, and refreshes the DNS data daily. This is what it says about mssgs: Ownership EU controlled Checked 4 September 2026 Core hosting BIT, Ede Website BIT (AS12859) ## Why groups pick mssgs over Fluxer Fluxer and mssgs share the basics. These are the differences people ask about most. ### Data in the United States Fluxer is made in Sweden, but most of what you store there, messages, communities and files included, is hosted with Vultr in New Jersey. mssgs stores everything with BIT in Ede, the Netherlands, and belongs to a Dutch company with no foreign parent. [Here is how to check](#where-it-runs). ### Readable private messages Fluxer's privacy policy says nothing on Fluxer is end-to-end encrypted yet. Encrypted calls are in testing, and encryption for DMs is on the roadmap. One-to-one chats are end-to-end encrypted today. Everything else is stored encrypted (AES-256) and never used to train AI. ### Phone apps still in beta Fluxer's iOS and Android apps are in public testing, through TestFlight and the Google Play beta. A store release is planned for 2026. mssgs is in the App Store and on Google Play, next to the desktop apps and the web app. See [downloads](https://mss.gs/en/downloads). ### Bots without buttons Bots on Fluxer run on its API and are hosted by their developers. Slash commands, buttons and other interactions are still on the roadmap. Webhooks, [message cards](https://docs.mss.gs/en/bots) with buttons and [/command triggers](https://docs.mss.gs/en/commands) are built in, and AI assistants connect over [MCP](https://docs.mss.gs/en/mcp). ### One owner per community A Fluxer community has one owner. Ownership can be handed over, but it always rests with a single account. An mssgs community can have several owners from day one, so it never hangs on a single account. ### Games through bots Fluxer has no games of its own; communities add them through third-party bots. Nine [turn-based games](https://mss.gs/en/games) are built into every chat, from Four in a Row to Battleship, and up to five can run at once. ## What Fluxer does well Fluxer is a good project with its own strengths. Worth knowing before you move a whole group. - **Open source.** Fluxer's code is public under the AGPL, so anyone can read it. - **Self-hosting.** You can run Fluxer on your own server, for free. - **Big files and sharp streams with Plutonium.** Files up to 500 MB, screen and camera in up to 4K at 60 frames per second. - **Your emoji everywhere.** With Plutonium, a community's custom emoji and stickers work in every chat. - **Voice servers worldwide**, in 16 regions, so calls are routed close to the people in them. - **Independent.** Funded by subscribers and donors, without venture capital. ### Stay on Fluxer if - you want to run the server yourself - open source code matters more to you than where the official service is hosted - you mostly stream in 4K ### Choose mssgs if - you want your data in Europe, not in New Jersey - you want end-to-end encrypted private chats today - your group uses phones and wants apps from the App Store and Google Play - you want games, bots with buttons and /commands, and MCP built in - your group wants to own its space together, with several owners ## Move your group from Fluxer in three steps There is no automatic import from Fluxer, so you rebuild the parts you use. For most groups that is one evening. ### Get mssgs Free on iOS, Android, Windows, macOS and Linux, or [open it in your browser](https://mss.gs/app). No credit card needed. ### Rebuild your community Create a community, add text and voice channels in categories, and set up roles. Add your co-owners right away. ### Invite your members Post an invite link or QR code in your Fluxer community. Invites can expire or be limited to a number of uses. Moving a large community? [Get in touch](https://mss.gs/en/contact) and we help you plan it. More questions? See the [FAQ](https://mss.gs/en/faq) or the [help desk](https://mss.gs/en/help). ## mssgs vs Fluxer: frequently asked questions ### What is Fluxer? Fluxer is a free, open source chat app in the style of Discord, made by Fluxer Platform AB, founded in Stockholm in 2025. It has communities with text and voice channels, roles and screen sharing, a paid plan called Plutonium, and you can run it on your own server. See [Fluxer's company information](https://fluxer.app/company-information). ### Where does Fluxer store my data? Mostly in the United States. Fluxer's [privacy policy](https://fluxer.app/privacy) of 2 October 2026 says it hosts most account information, messages, communities, files and other content with Vultr in Piscataway, New Jersey. mssgs stores all of it with BIT in Ede, the Netherlands. ### Is Fluxer end-to-end encrypted? Not yet. Fluxer's privacy policy says nothing on Fluxer is currently end-to-end encrypted. Encrypted calls are being tested, and optional encryption for DMs and small groups is on its roadmap. On mssgs, one-to-one chats are end-to-end encrypted. ### Which is better, mssgs or Fluxer? That depends on what your group needs. If you want to run the server yourself or read the source code, Fluxer is the one. If you want your data in Europe, end-to-end encrypted private chats, finished phone apps, and games and bots built in, mssgs is the better fit: it is made in the Netherlands and free to start. ### Does Fluxer have an app for iPhone and Android? In public testing: Fluxer offers a TestFlight beta on iOS and a Google Play beta on Android, and plans a full store release in 2026. mssgs is in the App Store and on Google Play, and also runs on Windows, macOS, Linux, the web and Apple Watch. See [downloads](https://mss.gs/en/downloads). ### Is mssgs free? Yes. Communities, channels, direct messages, voice calls, the games and the map are free for everyone. [Premium](https://mss.gs/en/credits) is optional, is paid with credits and never renews by itself. Fluxer's Plutonium is a subscription of €4.99 a month or €49.99 a year. ### Can I move my Fluxer community to mssgs? Yes, by hand: there is no automatic import from Fluxer. Create a community, recreate your channels, categories and roles, then share an invite link or QR code in your Fluxer community. Large communities can contact us for help. ### Does mssgs have bots and games? Yes, both built in. [Bot messages](https://docs.mss.gs/en/bots) with cards and buttons, webhooks and /command triggers need no hosting, and AI assistants such as Claude connect over [MCP](https://docs.mss.gs/en/mcp). [Nine turn-based games](https://mss.gs/en/games), including Four in a Row, Battleship, Checkers and Word Guesser, run inside every chat. ## Other alternatives ## Bring your group over Free to start, no credit card. Your community, your rules, your data in the Netherlands.